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[QUOTE=MikeJones;1861790]Give him props? I'll give him props but he patted himself on the back way to much tho. Making tough decisions is what he signed up for that is his job. He gets payed pretty well to do it. I don't get how him doing his job would make him more patriotic than the next person doing their job and making tough decisions.[/QUOTE
The difference is he said in 08 he'd get Bin Laden and he came through. He deals with scruitny all the time saying he's unamerican, muslim, etc. But this mission was his call and he raided a soverign nation to get Bin Laden. You guys can live in denial about Obama all ya like, but he proved himself this past weekend whether folks like it or not..and he deserves the credit he took for his part.
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He kinda beat us to giving himself credit. So he got Bin Laden? I thought it was a seal team. I hate to break it to folks but Obama didn't do this all by himself.
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People aren't going to give him any credit because of their personal problems with him, plain and simple. I don't see where he gloated the least bit in that speech, saying "I authorized" this and that isn't gloating, it's stating facts. He authorized/signed off on the whole thing, that's one of the toughest decisions anyone in that position to make. Even when he was told there was just a 50-80% Bin Laden was in there and after going around the room asking staff, intelligence officers and his cabinet on what to do it was split. The lives of the soldiers and civilians in the balance, if he was wrong, lives could have been lost for nothing. Then the political fallout from that and his leadership questioned beyond belief, that takes MAJOR balls to do and there's many POTUS's who wouldn't take that chance. Also had the sense to send in a small special unit team to minimize casualties/damages and also to collect data and to prove it was actually bin laden who they go, there were many that wanted to just bomb the complex. But nooooo, he was ****y :rolleyes:
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R13 are you saying no one is giving him credit?
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MikeJones
He kinda beat us to giving himself credit. So he got Bin Laden? I thought it was a seal team. I hate to break it to folks but Obama didn't do this all by himself.
He ordered the strike via the Seals. He could have called for a bombing and hoped that the bombs got there before bin Laden was able to escape. Instead, he called for the quick/efficient strike. It's a tad bit more risky as far as putting American lives in the line of fire, but these guys got in, had a 40 minute long firefight, and took bin Laden out w/o any collateral damage to the area. Obama didn't pull the actual trigger, but he is the Commander in Chief, and it was his call--and his call got the job done. Those are the facts.
"So he got Bin Laden?" That's kind of a trite way to put it. This is HISTORIC. That'd be like telling Allied troops, "So you won WWII?"
Keep the partisan crap out of this. Bush deserves some credit for beginning the intelligence gathering (though I will say, waterboarding did not help to make this happen--torture does not work as an interrogation device), and the soldiers who carried out this mission deserve to live long, rich, and revered lives as US military men and are due every celebration we can give to them. Just like Bush and the soldiers get credit, Obama should get some too. If I had given the order to make that strike, and bin Laden was killed--I'm sorry, but my speech following that would have had too many I's in it for you as well. Let this guy thump his chest a little bit--as we all are.
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R13
People aren't going to give him any credit because of their personal problems with him, plain and simple. I don't see where he gloated the least bit in that speech, saying "I authorized" this and that isn't gloating, it's stating facts. He authorized/signed off on the whole thing, that's one of the toughest decisions anyone in that position to make. Even when he was told there was just a 50-80% Bin Laden was in there and after going around the room asking staff, intelligence officers and his cabinet on what to do it was split. The lives of the soldiers and civilians in the balance, if he was wrong, lives could have been lost for nothing. Then the political fallout from that and his leadership questioned beyond belief, that takes MAJOR balls to do and there's many POTUS's who wouldn't take that chance. Also had the sense to send in a small special unit team to minimize casualties/damages and also to collect data and to prove it was actually bin laden who they go, there were many that wanted to just bomb the complex. But nooooo, he was ****y :rolleyes:
Me and you don't agree on much..but we do here. Obama staked his entire political career on the raid to get Bin Laden..if he failed he'd be put down from now on like Carter was over his failed raid to get the hostages out of Iran. Folks should remember, the President is the ranking military officer because he's the Commander in Chief. Anyone who has ever been in the military knows the President is the top of the chain of command...it was Obama's call, and he made the correct one. More than likely he chose the type of unit he wanted sent in and the commander of the branch of service the unit fell into chose the exact unit. But for anyone to say the decision to go in began and ended with Obama is asinine. Without his SUCCESSFUL decision, Bin Laden would still be livin' it up in Pakistan...plain and simple. He deserves as much credit for Bin Laden's death as the guy that put the bullet in his noggin.... Notice you haven't heard Boehner, the Tea Party, or Trump spewing their ignorance since this all happened..lol
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CoeburnCane
He ordered the strike via the Seals. He could have called for a bombing and hoped that the bombs got there before bin Laden was able to escape. Instead, he called for the quick/efficient strike. It's a tad bit more risky as far as putting American lives in the line of fire, but these guys got in, had a 40 minute long firefight, and took bin Laden out w/o any collateral damage to the area. Obama didn't pull the actual trigger, but he is the Commander in Chief, and it was his call--and his call got the job done. Those are the facts.
"So he got Bin Laden?" That's kind of a trite way to put it. This is HISTORIC. That'd be like telling Allied troops, "So you won WWII?"
Keep the partisan crap out of this. Bush deserves some credit for beginning the intelligence gathering (though I will say, waterboarding did not help to make this happen--torture does not work as an interrogation device), and the soldiers who carried out this mission deserve to live long, rich, and revered lives as US military men and are due every celebration we can give to them. Just like Bush and the soldiers get credit, Obama should get some too. If I had given the order to make that strike, and bin Laden was killed--I'm sorry, but my speech following that would have had too many I's in it for you as well. Let this guy thump his chest a little bit--as we all are.
Oh yeah he ok'd it but its not like he didn't have any advisers helping him with his decisions. And on the he got bin laden I was referring to the post where they quoted him as saying he would get osama in 08. Where did I bring up any partisan stuff? Im just stating he didn't do it alone and the I crap was ridiculous. Its kind hard to shake a mans hand and tell him good job when his is to busy slapping his back with that hand.
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CoeburnCane
the soldiers who carried out this mission deserve to live long, rich, and revered lives as US military men and are due every celebration we can give to them.
Those guys need to be set up in multimillion dollar mansions with butlers, maids..the whole nine yards. Give 'em all 3-4 million bucks to boot. They rid the world of an icon of evil..and should never have to work or worry bout money again. Hell, if they want to snort coke off the boobs of a Cambodian hooker, the government should find a way to make it happen. The killing of Bin Laden is that monumental...hell we've spent 15 years and untold millions trying to kill him. This weekend it got accomplished...to the victors go the spoils IMO.
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MikeJones
Oh yeah he ok'd it but its not like he didn't have any advisers helping him with his decisions. And on the he got bin laden I was referring to the post where they quoted him as saying he would get osama in 08. Where did I bring up any partisan stuff? Im just stating he didn't do it alone and the I crap was ridiculous. Its kind hard to shake a mans hand and tell him good job when his is to busy slapping his back with that hand.
He had advisors, but it was his a$$ on the line making the decision...get over it. Obama got done what Bush didn't..it's as simple as that. If he was a white Republican from Texas you wouldn't have a problem with it.
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sup-rbeast
He had advisors, but it was his a$$ on the line making the decision...get over it. Obama got done what Bush didn't..it's as simple as that. If he was a white Republican from Texas you wouldn't have a problem with it.
**** right he had advisers and it wasn't all him. So in my opinion he used "I" way to much you get over it. Way to play race card btw. Not sure what color and and where he is from would have anything to do with me have a problem with his speech. I don't care if it was the donkey from shrek giving the speech i wouldn't have agreed with it. I can tell someone nice job with out them telling me how great a job they did.
